Frisian Viking
Oct 9 2005, 12:18 AM
QUOTE(george @ 8 Oct 2005, 23:16)

Ow, did I typed it wrong?
EDIT: I see. Ive forgot an A.
For us Western Europeans names like this are very difficult. We never use that much vowels after eachother.
Haita
Oct 9 2005, 12:59 AM
I start really to like our dutch friends. They beat the Czechs both a Under21 and National team. The Dutch proved to respect the football.
You gain my respect once again!
I was cheering for the Dutch team back they invented the total football, with the help of a Romanian coach. I will let you guess his name. I was sad when twice the reach the WC Finals and lost even though they were the better team, against Germany and Argentina.
I believe one of the Heerenveen striker scored in the Under 21 match against the Czech... Is he a good player?
Frisian Viking
Oct 9 2005, 10:19 AM
QUOTE(Haita @ 8 Oct 2005, 23:59)

I start really to like our dutch friends. They beat the Czechs both a Under21 and National team. The Dutch proved to respect the football.
You gain my respect once again!
I was cheering for the Dutch team back they invented the total football, with the help of a Romanian coach. I will let you guess his name. I was sad when twice the reach the WC Finals and lost even though they were the better team, against Germany and Argentina.
That must be Frantisek Fadrhonc.
Well he played a part in the progress with Total Football. But Rinus Michels was the big man. He invented that way of playing football.
QUOTE
I believe one of the Heerenveen striker scored in the Under 21 match against the Czech... Is he a good player?
Yes. Klaas Jan Huntelaar. He played for years in the youth teams of PSV Eindhoven, but he never got a chance to prove his qualities in the first team of PSV. That's a bit of weard, because in Holland he is known as one of the biggest talents. Our chairman decided to buy him last season and know he is one of the best strikers in Holland. I think he will leave Heerenveen after this season.
Metallica
Oct 9 2005, 04:40 PM
don't worry about that team. is full of shit. we are very happy when its name is messed up. so don't excuse, and do that whenever you want.
thanks for the dutch who beat czechs oa saturaday and gave us a last chance to go to world cup play-offs. the coach haita was talking about is STEFAN COVACI, who was the ajax coach in the early 70's.
LAZIO
Oct 9 2005, 05:15 PM

NATIONAL-herenven 3-0

Dinamo-herenven 4-0
Haita
Oct 9 2005, 05:55 PM
Yeah, George is right the coach I was referring to is Stefan Covaci.
You are saying that Klaas Jan Huntelaar is going to leave Heerenveen after this season.. So, I guess that your team budget relies heavily on the proceeds from sales of the players? What is the annual budget of Heerenveen?
Who is your main sponsor?
Frisian Viking
Oct 9 2005, 06:24 PM
QUOTE(Haita @ 9 Oct 2005, 16:55)

Yeah, George is right the coach I was referring to is Stefan Covaci.
You are saying that Klaas Jan Huntelaar is going to leave Heerenveen after this season.. So, I guess that your team budget relies heavily on the proceeds from sales of the players? What is the annual budget of Heerenveen?
Who is your main sponsor?
In Romania you must have the same problems: The best players are leaving to better clubs in 'big' countries. There is nothing you can do about that.
Our budget is 21 miljoen euro a year. And in de next two year it will probably rise to 25 miljoen euro. Our main sponsor is Univé, that's a big insurance company. In Holland Heerenveen has by far the biggest business club (bigger then Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV). There are now more then thousend members.
QUOTE(LAZIO @ 9 Oct 2005, 16:15)


NATIONAL-herenven 3-0

Dinamo-herenven 4-0

Keep this thought, then we sure will beat you.
Haita
Oct 9 2005, 06:34 PM
QUOTE(Frisian Viking @ 9 Oct 2005, 19:24)

In Romania you must have the same problems: The best players are leaving to better clubs in 'big' countries. There is nothing you can do about that.
Our budget is 21 miljoen euro a year. And in de next two year it will probably rise to 25 miljoen euro. Our main sponsor is Univé, that's a big insurance company. In Holland Heerenveen has by far the biggest business club (bigger then Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV). There are now more then thousend members.
Keep this thought, then we sure will beat you.
Yes indeed, Romania has the same problems. All our players are playing abroad. However, this is the first year that Dinamo did not let go our main players in the summer. This is because, this was the year when the club sold 9% of the FC Dinamo shares: approx. 1 million euro=1 % shares. Thus, our budget this year from the contributed capital is about 9 million euro and if you add the sponsors we probably get somewhere a little bit more than 10 -11 million euro. This does not include the television rights or the revenue from ticket sales or promotional materials, but those amounts are not that relevant. Last year, when we played Manchester United in the qualiying round of UCL , we had a pretty good revenue of 1 million euro based on sales of tickets (60 000 home crowd)+promo materials + tv rights.
paddy
Oct 9 2005, 08:00 PM
What's your opinion about UEFA COM survey?
FRISIAN VIKING...
Frisian Viking
Oct 9 2005, 08:23 PM
QUOTE(paddy @ 9 Oct 2005, 19:00)

What's your opinion about UEFA COM survey?
FRISIAN VIKING...

What do you mean Paddy?
paddy
Oct 9 2005, 08:54 PM
I read on UEFA.com site that your team is the last on group.
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 01:31 PM
Well, I was not active the last 4 days at the forum, but I'm back now.... My study keeps me away from all the football forums
About the UEFA.com survey.... I can't find it either....But I reckon that after all games played we won't be 5th
Dumi-DC
Oct 10 2005, 03:02 PM
I'm not saying this just because you've beaten the czech Republic, but after seeing England, France, Italy, and Spain play I'm certain that only the Dutch can stop Brazil from gaining a 6th title in Germany(but for that you must use Makay again) Good luck
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 03:20 PM
QUOTE
I'm not saying this just because you've beaten the czech Republic, but after seeing England, France, Italy, and Spain play I'm certain that only the Dutch can stop Brazil from gaining a 6th title in Germany(but for that you must use Makay again) Good luck
Thank you for being so positive about the Dutch team, of course, they will have to lose to Finland, then you will have eventually a play-off chance.... If we are realistic we should see Czech Republic go through. The second half against "us" they were far the better side....But I hope for U of course that they will lose, because they will be a good side at the WC....and I like U Romanian supporters!
I think Holland has a talented squad with a lot of new, not well-known players. A couple of world class players (Davids, van der Sar, van Nistelrooij) have the lead and help the youngsters ( van der Vaart, Sneijder, Maduro, Bouhlarouz etc etc etc) ... For me, Brazil and Italy are the contenders for the title next year... But if we play good, we can beat Brazil yes, but we should not be too positive yet....
About Makaay: He is a fantastic striker, one of the best in the world, but our head coach van Basten has several good reasons to keep him out of the team. We play 4-3-3 and Makaay is a typical 4-4-2 striker, he can't play in a 4-3-3 system, because he is a pacey striker how needs space in front of him... The striker in our system needs to have strenght, nice heading capabilities and he has to hold up the ball for the midfielders..... Strikers like Kluivert, van Nistelrooij and Huntelaar (yes indeed) have the capabilities to cope better with the striker role then Makaay....
I would call Makaay a typical Russian or Ukrainian striker, lethal in counterattack!
Nunspeed
Oct 10 2005, 03:29 PM
Hey,
I will be one of the (few) supporters of Heerenveen who will visit Bukarest next week. Can you tell me what are the good pubs/clubs there. And are your supporters very agressive (like the ones from Ostrava?) ?
I will look forward to the match and to visit your country.
FarfelkugeL
Oct 10 2005, 03:47 PM
Presedintele executiv Ioan Becali a decis in aceasta dimineata preturile la bilete pentru meciul cu Heerenveen, programat joi, 20 octombrie, pe stadionul Dinamo.
Astfel, tichetele costa 50.000 lei (peluza I si peluza Catalin Hîldan), 100.000 lei (tribuna a II-a), 150.000 lei (tribuna I) si 200.000 lei (tribuna 0), urmand sa fie puse in vanzare la inceputul saptamanii viitoare, la casele stadionului.
Weeee !!!
Preturi bune !
Stadionul va fi plin !!!
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 03:52 PM
Please keep it on-Topic and in English, If U want to complain about the prices of the tickets for the game, do it elsewhere
My Romanian isn't that bad.....
Frisian Viking
Oct 10 2005, 05:03 PM
QUOTE(Dumi-DC @ 10 Oct 2005, 14:02)

I'm not saying this just because you've beaten the czech Republic, but after seeing England, France, Italy, and Spain play I'm certain that only the Dutch can stop Brazil from gaining a 6th title in Germany(but for that you must use Makay again) Good luck
Holland won't be the World Champion in the upcoming twenty years.
Reason?
We don't have any discipline (only Van Bommel and Davids, and as you know Van Basten doesn't like Van Bommel, the same with Davids), we have a bad attitude (The average Dutch person thinks we allways the best and we always are easily going to win everything) and we are just not good enough.
In the years '74 and '88 of course we had the same problem. But in this teams almost all players had exceptional talents (Cruyff, Van Hanegem, Neeskens, Van Basten, Vanenburg and much more), that's the difference.
paddy
Oct 10 2005, 05:15 PM
Its a long way there
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 05:24 PM
Well Frisian Viking, nowadays you don't need to have a squad with exceptional talent! Why did Greece win the European title then.....??? U should never say that Holland is a favourite, because our history in tournaments is just miserable....Less miserable than co-favourites England and Spain, but still not good.... We need to be very lucky if we want to win, because often we just don't make it to the final ( 1994, 1998, 2000, 2004).....
Frisian Viking
Oct 10 2005, 06:17 PM
QUOTE(Voorstopper @ 10 Oct 2005, 16:24)

Well Frisian Viking, nowadays you don't need to have a squad with exceptional talent! Why did Greece win the European title then.....??? U should never say that Holland is a favourite, because our history in tournaments is just miserable....Less miserable than co-favourites England and Spain, but still not good.... We need to be very lucky if we want to win, because often we just don't make it to the final ( 1994, 1998, 2000, 2004).....

The Greek team was proud to play for their country. They were a real team that fought for every meter (maybe you can compare it a bit with FC Utrecht a couple of years ago. Or countrys like Ireland and Scotland).
The Dutch team is not a real 'fight-machine'. That's is exactly what I mean with discipline and attitude.
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 06:22 PM
If there is one big fight machine, it's Davids.....
Sezran
Oct 10 2005, 06:25 PM
QUOTE(Nunspeed @ 10 Oct 2005, 16:29)

Hey,
I will be one of the (few) supporters of Heerenveen who will visit Bukarest next week. Can you tell me what are the good pubs/clubs there. And are your supporters very agressive (like the ones from Ostrava?) ?
I will look forward to the match and to visit your country.
depends what your understanding of "good" is. for the ehglishmen that visited us recently, it meant "cheap" and afterwards they complained about not liking stuff. the central part if filled with clubs and pubs, for all tastes.
supporters are not usually agressive, more like friendly. of course there are groups that will react violently if provoked (internet included), but i do not think the dutch side will be a target.
Frisian Viking
Oct 10 2005, 06:38 PM
QUOTE(Voorstopper @ 10 Oct 2005, 17:22)

If there is one big fight machine, it's Davids.....

Yes, and the second one is Van Bommel. But we all no the story.
Back on-topic
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 06:40 PM

Sezran, I've been to a lot of countries in Eastern-Europe, and never ever been threated violently.... Of course people have comment at the behaviour of "dutch tourists" who are going to these countries only to drink as much beer they can and try to seduce some local woman....like some english..... I think that our supporters will never act violently, we are as friendly as a person can be........
I heard about the friction between some Eastern-European countries, I read also the Russian forums, and Bulgarian, there is some serious crap about violent yelling at eachother... Bad thing

At the other side: history plays often an important role, and some people get sentimental (Here in Holland it's all about Germans, who did some terrible things here during the WOrld War II)...
Sezran
Oct 10 2005, 06:41 PM
haha... davids "big fight machine"? ask him about cosmin contra. see if he turns blue.
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 06:42 PM

While I like Germans so much!
Sezran
Oct 10 2005, 06:44 PM
as long as your guys do not act like the norwegians, nobody will comment. maybe they'll join for a beer. :)
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 06:45 PM
QUOTE
haha... davids "big fight machine"? ask him about cosmin contra. see if he turns blue.
Haha, Cosmin Contra.....I remember him....former back of Milan, and Atletico Madrid.... Nowadays he is nowhere..... But we have to stay on-topic.... as Frisian Viking says!
Sezran
Oct 10 2005, 07:11 PM
nowadays he is in the pole position in the spanish league (getafe).
ok, no more offtopic.
Voorstopper
Oct 10 2005, 07:23 PM

1-0 for Sezran, I really had no idea where he played.....
By the way, a stupid remark: often your words in Romanian end at "-ul", often there is a construction with an "l", like in Otelul Galati for example..... The word "Lul" means Dick in dutch, so we are having fun out here reading your topics!
Metallica
Oct 12 2005, 01:14 PM
off-topic you forgott gullit and rijkaard from the 88 team.
on topic you will find a lot of pubs in bucuresti, and a lot of people to join for some beers.
nacional
Oct 16 2005, 12:36 PM
[size=2][b][color=#FF0000]My Point is Dinamo 3-1 Heerenveen and Dinamo will be a good team in Grup F and will be able to beat Tsk Moscova .....
Dinamo will finish on 3 place in grup F.....
Dumi-DC
Oct 16 2005, 02:05 PM
Speaking of Gullit and Van Basten, I appreciate them very much, they destroyed Steaua in 1989 when Milan kicked their ass in the champions league final 2 goals for each of the 2 dutch players
Voorstopper
Oct 17 2005, 01:05 PM
Well Romanian friends. It will be a very good game I think next Thursday!
Dinamo thrashed Cluj into pieces, 5-0 and Heerenveen played good football against NAC BREDA away: 0-3....
Our team had a fantastic performance with defender Seip, sent off in the 20th minute with 2x a yellow card. Despite playing with 10 man, Heerenveen played the better Football against the team with Pierre van Hooijdonk and Swiss international striker Johann Vonlanthen upfront. The defense looked very comfortable and striker Klaas-Jan Huntelaar made clear that he is in a stunning form. In the first half he headed two goals and in the second half he made a fantastci goal by tricking 3 defenders of NAC in a marvellous way, to score.....
Two teams in good form, two good attacks, it is going to be a fantastic game....
http://members.lycos.nl/sch1920/ .
Try this link to download some nice avatars....with the Huntelaar goal against Breda
Nunspeed
Oct 17 2005, 07:59 PM
QUOTE(Sezran @ 10 Oct 2005, 17:25)

depends what your understanding of "good" is. for the ehglishmen that visited us recently, it meant "cheap" and afterwards they complained about not liking stuff. the central part if filled with clubs and pubs, for all tastes.
supporters are not usually agressive, more like friendly. of course there are groups that will react violently if provoked (internet included), but i do not think the dutch side will be a target.
okay sounds good.. I will depart tomorrow so tommorow evening i will be in Bucaresti... ANd tommorow night i will be in the clubs/pubs :
So i will see you guys tomorrow good luck
POOL
Oct 17 2005, 08:50 PM
rednorth
Oct 18 2005, 10:06 PM
Because, they both are 2 offensive team,i think the coaches will try to consolidate their defences,so it will be a tough game,decided by the unforced errors and the cold-blood of their fordwards,with no many goals.
we gonna see a "fight" between strong player,but a fantastic fight.
Voorstopper
Oct 19 2005, 04:14 PM
Well, today our trainer said that he is well aware of the qualities of Dinamo, good technique, good pace and good organization. But: Heerenveen is not going to change tactics, so we will still attack....
Metallica
Oct 19 2005, 05:09 PM
it will be great for us if you will play this way. our counter attacks are killers! you will see. good luck!
Voorstopper
Oct 19 2005, 08:06 PM
I don't think it will give any difference if we play very attacking or not, our defence is the weakest part (except Hansson), so we have to camouflage it by attacking. You have a good attack, we can't let you attack all the time.....then you are very dangerous.... We'll see, I'm getting excited....
rednorth
Oct 20 2005, 01:38 AM
QUOTE(Voorstopper @ 19 Oct 2005, 17:14)

Well, today our trainer said that he is well aware of the qualities of Dinamo, good technique, good pace and good organization. But: Heerenveen is not going to change tactics, so we will still attack....
yes,you could attack,only if your opponent allowed to do it.
lotzi
Oct 20 2005, 05:39 AM
POOL
Oct 20 2005, 07:59 AM
QUOTE(Voorstopper @ 19 Oct 2005, 16:14)

Well, today our trainer said that he is well aware of the qualities of Dinamo, good technique, good pace and good organization. But: Heerenveen is not going to change tactics, so we will still attack....
No problemo. You'll see tonight.

It will be a great game.
alexemilian
Oct 20 2005, 04:44 PM
Voorstopper
Oct 20 2005, 10:46 PM
Sezran
Oct 20 2005, 10:53 PM
very good? what game did you see?
in fact they did not play at all tonight. it was a replay of the game against farul. real players were probably resting somewhere else. it is not the score but the so called "play" that makes me sad.
i'll have to admit: huntelaar is an oscar worthy player. in the first half he droped down like shot, but before our defender reached him.
Voorstopper
Oct 21 2005, 12:31 AM
Well Sezran. I think you can agree that if there was a team which deserved to win, it would be Dinamo. And about Huntelaar: He is a player who is sometimes searching freekicks in a stupid way.... We couldn't use Huntelaar this way, he was kept away from the goal by your good defenders. We needed pace, but with Yildirim and Huntelaar we had the two slowest players of the pitch upfront....
You did create a lot of chances (not very BIG chances) and we were lucky with our organization!
But I really think you can advance, no problem........
Frisian Viking
Oct 21 2005, 02:02 PM
We can be very glad with this result. 0-0 against Dinamo is a good result for us. Let's hope we can get a point against the Russians.
You're team played very good, we've didn't got a chance. I think it will be very difficult to end before you in this competition.
Sezran
Oct 21 2005, 03:31 PM
"very good" ... you're mocking us, right?
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